TKC BLOG COMMUNITY CONFIRMED!!! KCFD SHOULD HAVE EVACUATED JJ'S EARLIER!!!

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You weren't on the scene. You just had people send you photos. You don't know how the situation went down. I DO and KCFD IS NOT TO BLAME!

This" plan" Dave Helling is referring to had nothing to do with small scale single unit evacuations. It is only intended for large scale city wide evacuations. Both issues are completely different subjects. This guy has no clue.... It's sweeps times and they continue to want to burn someone at the stake. It's a witch hunt. Trying to use that document while attempting to prove fault is off base, that isn't the evacuation plans intent. That's like trying to use a trackhoe to plant flowers in your garden. Yeah... That machine will dig holes... But there are better tools for the job. SOP was followed, end of story.

Get a clue jackass. You have no business trying to figure out how an emergency plan is suppose toward when you don't even have any training. The fire dept trains to put out fires, not figure out how to fix a gas main. That is the gas companies job. If the gas company says that it is not a concern than the fire dept has no say unless they see something grossly wrong, All you idiots say you smelled gas for hours but not one of you called 911. May be this wouldn't have happened if you all had actually called but I guess you were too busy with Facebook and your latte. Just to give you a heads up Tony. If a powerline goes down, a water main break happens, or a major incident happens at Honeywell the fire dept defers to those agencies that control those sources. Blame will fall on the contractor, MGE, and all you DBs who didn't call and report a gas leak. I said it first.

"The plan is hardly a set of rules that every firefighter could be expected to recite. And, like similar plans, it gives public responders significant flexibility in determining if and when to order an evacuation.

That flexibility is critical because not every gas leak or minor emergency requires widespread evacuation. Although the blueprint does not explicitly require it, in practice, consultation with private workers and other experts at the scene is a common part of that calculation. "

That is intersting.

Everything I have read has get outta jail free cards built into the rhetoric.

Lawyers will figure this out.

I havn?t seen a time line yet that is or has been accepted by the authorities in question and the media. I think that will be forthcoming and because of the high profile nature of the event, will be accurate.

At this point, based on conversation and comments, it looks like we can establish this much.

The standard equipment carried by MGE is the MSA 260. This unit detects gas and runs less than $1000.00 (I find them on line for way less.). It has not been established to morons in the street like me, if the KCFD carries them also.

Typically, a multi-gas detector is used (LEL, CO, O2, and H2) because those are the most common hazards found in confined space entry (tanks, vessels, sewers).

With regard to the MSA 260?Is that the standard for on site determination of danger with relation to gas? Does the Fire Dept have them? Does MGE have them? Are there better units that MGE carries that would over rule a reading of an MSA 260? Who carries those? Is there a precedent or hierarchy for responsibility with concern to protocols in similar situations?

These facts, for observers are yet to be established.

Here is an explanation of hierarchy responsibility by a commenter, and it rings true to me at this point.

?The fire Department shows up, gets an on scene briefing by anyone having relevant information, and then directs the response.

In your scenario, he would have heard from the boring contractor (yes, I hit a line in the alley. I had about 75 feet of my reel out heading north, i hit an obstruction, pushed through it, and began smelling gas, alled 911 right away) and then from MGE (LEL readings elevated in the alley. Gas may be migrating into surrounding structures.) There would have been a discussion of where the shut offs were (e.g. does MGE know where they are, etc).

Whether he calls for additional manpower, chooses to wait for more MGE employees, continues his investigation or begins a full evacuation, just the fact that he had a known rupture that was not under control and elevated LEL readings, coupled with an obvious smell of gas, should have been enough for him to stick around.?

At this point, it seems that the the blame is going to fall on the KCFD, not so much because they could have prevented the explosion, but the fact that it looks like they abandoned thier post.

In addition, it seems at this point, to me, that the KCFD is in control and is the final word on what actions to take in these situations.

The thing that stands out to me, is the testimony of many whom were with in close proximity who smelled an overpowering stench of natural gas, in juxtaposition with the fact-that we KNOW the KCFD was on site and left while this smell still existed (WAS AN MSA 260 EMPLOYED?).

There is a dramatic difference of opinion to this point on the ability to shut down gas valves. Apparantly you can shut down ?Curb? valves close to business? but NEVER a main valve. This must be what Mark McDonald was referring to and, is and will be a crucial piece of information (Was it done/ Who did it? When was it done? etc) in the coming weeks.

No matter what your opinion of the KCFD and MGE?s performance, I can?t believe that these two companies thought there was any real danger, or they don?t leave. Or do they? A shift in the wind? No MSA 260 on the trucks. Do we have the right time line yet?

It doesn?t look like there is a time line established and that, along with assessment of other variables in conjunction with the actions of the relavent personell will determine who hangs and who pays.

People will hang, and money will be paid.

Lets hope the lawyers get it right and the victims can move on.

Most of the info here, I got from commenters kind enought to supply urls that I looked up.

Wow. I didn't realize Tony was a state fire investigator. Thanks for cracking this case, Alonzo.

Local 42 and the Fire Chiefs' Union -- yes, they have a union too but no one ever talks about them -- will be posting comments all over this blog trying to knock this allegation down.

I bet you see 100 comments on this post Tony.

They are supposed to take charge of a situation like a gas leak, and they did not to it.

KCFD is to blame. They were the trained responders on the scene and should have taken control of the situation. To leave is up to laborers from the gas company certainly did not work. KCFD was negligent.

Hey Chuck, you're NOT a trained blogger and you're NOT in TKC's basement, so you have no business writing anything on this blog. Quit your fucking typing.

KCFD was complacent and lackadaisical in addressing the gas leak. Deal with it, FD.

I wasn't there, so I guess I have no business commenting on that wreck in the race yesterday.

8:13

A "Trained Blogger".

If you don't like it, quit whining about me like a little bitch and enlighten us with your takes on the events at JJs.

What a fuckin joke, a "Trained Blogger".

Hey, go back to takin pictures of your dick with your cell phone and sending them to yourself.

KCFD is to blame. Sly knows it. Sly and the city council are owned by Local 42. So they are working on the coverup. This time the coverup won't work because the national media will not let it happen.

9:12- Not only the national media, but the Feds, as well.

They should have put out the call around noon, that there was free watermelon, neck bones and fried chicken at JJ's...

They should have put out the call around noon, that there was free watermelon, neck bones and fried chicken at JJ's...

It was Glutes Day at the firehouse, so they had to get their butt reps in before they took charge of anything. When it comes to body building, it does not matter what or who burns up if the pretty boy firefighters have not felt the burn in their muscles. The older guys just nursed hang-overs from their last off hours and watched their belly buttons move closer to their chins.

Was just told by a sanitation employee that the KCMO Sanitation Department has suspended trash pickup indefinitely because the residential streets are not safe for the crews to travel. If the expected storm hits KC this week, the suspension of service will extend until the regularly scheduled pick-up schedule in first week of March.

In order to avoid negative publicity for as long as possible, the offices of the City Manager and the Mayor ordered the Sanitation Department to not issue a public announcement on this decision and to leave the announcement on the city's Web site that trucks would be working Saturday and Sunday.

The City's failure to conduct a snow removal campaign in residential neighborhoods now means that citizens will have to store 2-3 weeks of trash before the next pick-up.

Media inquiries about trash and recycling should be directed to Sean Demory, public information officer for the Public Works Department, at 816-935-7487.

Source: http://www.tonyskansascity.com/2013/02/tkc-blog-community-confirmed-kcfd.html

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